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- From: ejszul@obscurity.pd.mcs.net (Eric Szulczewski)
- Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
- Subject: Re: The March Amiga?
- Date: Fri, 2 Feb 96 16:02:44 CST
- Organization: Principle of Obscurity BBS
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- In a message dated 01-31-96 21-20 Gary Alan Peake writes:
-
- GP> >But weren't C=UK and ATUK completely different entities, with little
- GP> >but not much crossing between employees of one and employees of the
- GP> >other? After all, Davey Boy Pleasance isn't employed by ATUK, is he?
-
- GP> No, but he wasn't the ONLY C=UK employee.
-
- Just was using Pleasance as an example. The point is that we shouldn't
- think of ATUK as C=UK.
-
- GP> >"Many" is technically more than two, Gary. Let's see, there's me,
- GP> >Paul, Byron...that's more than two right there. Therefore, "many" is
- GP> >being used correctly. Logic chip on standby...
-
- GP> Well you are 'technically' correct, but not morally correct with that
- GP> word. Many conjures images of 'several, most, etc' and there ain't but
- GP> THREE of ya!!! :)
-
- Meanwhile, there's you and George, which is two of you. Guess "we"
- comprise the majority, huh? Bandying semantics is fun, isn't it?
-
- GP> >GP> And is this not what Amiga Technologies is doing? Upgrading the
- GP> >GP>initial product and keeping it aimed at the same, first time buyers?
-
- GP> >A blind man has the inability to aim unless he's some sort of Zen
- GP> >master, Gary. And without marketing, they're pushing those 1200s
- GP> >blind.
-
- GP> Sheee-it!!! Market what? There's nothing to market! Amiga Technologies
- GP> hasn't even started trying to really fill demand here in the US! Let em
- GP> get the backorders filled and something out there to market first!
-
- "Nothing to market"? How about your beloved "S--fer" package? Isn't
- that "something to market"? And I wasn't necessarily taling about only
- NA, Gary. Read Paul's stuff about what's happening to 1200s in
- Britain.
-
- GP> >Gilles was on TV in Germany, I believe. Paul was citing Britain, one
- GP> >of the two prime Amiga markets. Guess that AT, like certain elements
- GP> >of the Tory party, don't have that "EU Mentality". And I don't count
- GP> >Amiga mags as marketing. I call that "preaching to the converted".
-
- GP> You ever read any PC mags?
-
- Actually, no. They're not about Amigas, are they?
-
- GP> >BBEEEPPP! No way are AT going to get an Internet package into the
- GP> >mainstream UK market without:
-
- GP> >1. The right price
- GP> >2. A dedicated Amiga service provider who can help you set up.
- GP> >3. Good software + hardware.
-
- GP> GP> And we are soon to see if you and Eric or us 'apologists' are right.
-
- GP> >Regrettably, the odds seem to be improving on our stance every day,
- GP> >Gary. Believe me, I don't want to see AT fail outright, but they seem
- GP> >to be setting themselves up for failure.
-
- GP> How so? I think that they are following their own plan right down to the
- GP> letter and in the end we are going to have something to be proud of!
-
- You're defending their supposed "plan", Gary. What if that "plan" of
- theirs happens to be flawed and dead wrong for the Amiga?
-
- GP> >GP> Why can't we wait till it gets here before we start bitchin'?
-
- GP> >Because we're fed up with incompetence by the people who own our
- GP> >system, and we want to broadcast warnings prior to possible movements.
- GP> >Santayana, Gary...
-
- GP> Have you tried a personal email to any of the Amiga Technologies folks?
- GP> One that is rational, constructive, with 'factual' information ... not
- GP> full of inuendo's and projections?
-
- I would presume that even if it was rational and constructive, my name
- is mud with Kittel and Bourdin because of these posts, and therefore a
- letter would be a futile effort. Notice that Kittel hasn't responded
- to that one message I posted three weeks ago.
-
- GP> >They may do, but their Escom masters may not think that way if AT starts
- GP> >to cut deeply into Escom`s profits.
-
- GP> >GP> But, have they? I don't think so ... at least, not yet!
-
- GP> >Not yet. That's the point. The problem is that AT or Escom seems
- GP> >unwilling to put any money into marketing the Amiga. Do you think that
- GP> >Manfred couldn't have put out a fax to all his stores saying "Look,
- GP> >this system is owned by one of our subsidiaries. Display it properly
- GP> >and push it. If you need help with it, call the Escom HQ in your
- GP> >country and they'll help you."? That's virtually free marketing, but,
- GP> >as lots of our UK bretheren said, 1200s were languishing in boxes in
- GP> >Escom stores.
-
- GP> Jiminy Xmas, Eric!!! First the two of you whine about Escom not even being
- GP> willing to sell Amiga computers. Dr Kittel gave you/us
- GP> their reasons (basically the ignorance of the sales staff concerning the
- GP> Amiga) for staying away from the Escom Stores. Too much whining and
- GP> dancing later, Amiga Technologies gives in and tries it ... bombed out
- GP> JUST LIKE THEY SAID IT WOULD!
-
- Now try to follow this skein of logic, Gary, instead of just saying
- "Kittel said so". He isn't God, you know.
-
- 1) Escom owns AT.
-
- 2) It would be in Escom's own interest to promote the products of one
- of their subsidiaries in their own stores. This is the argument that
- some people overseas were voicing.
-
- 3) If anyone could provide the necessary training and familiarization
- to employees of Escom stores on an Escom product, it would be Escom,
- wouldn't it? Training and familiarization would have helped provide
- proper displays and demonstrations in Escom stores, and would have sold
- more 1200s. I don't think you could argue with that point.
-
- 4) Escom didn't bother with the training and familiarization. The 1200
- ended up laying inside boxes in Escom stores over the Christmas sales
- season. Could there be a connection between those two? Escom and AT
- both said to us, "Why bother? They're not going to know about the
- system.", and then decided to bring the product into Escom stores, thus
- setting up the conditions for a self-fulfilling prophecy, Mystic Meg.
-
- 5) It was in Escom's power to make certain that the product of one of
- their subsidiaries was best presented in their own stores, yet they
- chose not to exercise it. This is the point I was bringing up. How
- can you defend them for that (non-) action?
-
- Eric Szulczewski
- ejszul@obscurity.pd.mcs.net
- (again, soon to change as soon as I get ppp.device working properly!)
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